Mar. 9, 1953. Running time: (30:03). Transcribed. Thurman starts with the story of Jacob's ladder. Jacob, according to Thurman, realized that God was present even in his diseased and disordered life. He relates this to how all people will encounter crisis in their life. The crisis may be subtle or blatant. People have the option to deal with crisis creatively and reveal the orderliness and rationality of the divine.